37: Elliot Abrams on Epic Fury / Rising Lion against Iran

In early June 2026, Fathom editors Calev Ben-Dor and Andrew Apostolou spoke to Elliot Abrams. Abrams is Senior Fellow for Middle Eastern Studies at the Council on Foreign Relations, and has previously served in senior roles in the US government, including as Deputy National Security Advisor for President George W. Bush and as Special Representative for Iran in the first Trump administration.